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(glum voice) Hello there DA users, I'm Mixedfan8643. Well, it's finally happened. I've decided to put my foot down here. It's not secret that I'm a fan of the Archie Sonic the Hedgehog comic book series. It's also no secret I adore :iconianpotto:'s writing for the comic. But somehow, there are people who dislike his work and frankly, after looking for good stuff about the comics and finding nothing but stupid ranting after stupid bashing, I've decided to tackle the haters' claims and point out how flawed their arguments are. Let me just point out that this is NOT a journal bashing the haters of the Sonic comics, I'm just looking over the things they say while giving my tuppence. If you hate the comics then fine, I'm not stopping you from doing so. So please don't think I'm attacking anybody here, I honestly don't mean to, I'm just giving my opinion in a clam, polite manner. Also, don't dismiss me as some "Ian Flynn fanboy" or anything, this is me giving my thoughts on the whole thing. And no, I didn't slog through hater's comments just so I could find these claims, I heard about them from other users such as :iconbeau-skunk:. After I've debunked some claims, I will state my analysis I've had of the current story arc in the comics after reading them several times. Yes, I actually sit and analyse everything, what a shock! So here we go. I have my list of the most popular hater claims here so let's go through them one by one:

IAN MAKES THE CHARACTERS OOC!
Interesting. Now let's see here. Under Ian's pen:

Sonic is the free-spirited, speedy jokester with a heart of gold, just like the games.
Tails is the humble, modest mechanic with a nack for machines and a courageous heart, just like the games.
Knuckles is the bad-tempered, fists-first ask later kind of guy, just like the games!
Amy is the chipper, happy Sonic fangirl with a crush on her hero, just like the games!
Cream is the polite and sweet little bunny, JUST LIKE THE GAMES!
Big is the dopey little fisherman with a big punch, JUST LIKE THE SODDING GAMES!!!
Sally, Bunnie, Antoine and Rotor are still like their SatAM counterparts although thanks to development under other writers before Ian, Antoine's a little braver so there you go.

I don't see how in anyway the characters are OOC under Ian. You want OOCness? See Ken Penders or Karl Bollers and their trash! Ken had Sonic be a man-whore and Tails be a crybaby who gets shocked whenever he sees Sonic kissing someone (See issues 150 & 155 for prime examples of that) and Karl had Sally be a complete bitch! Under Ian, everybody's how they should be. True Sonic and Tails fought each other but hey, even the strongest of friendships have their bumps in the road! And that was Ken's fault, not Ian's so don't blame him for it! Ken wrote issue 155 and had Sonic smooch with Fiona and Tails scream "I HATE YOU!" in his face. Ian only fixed that by doing his underrated "House of Cards" story. If issue 155 didn't have Sonic smooching with Fiona and Tails screaming "I HATE YOU!" then "House of Cards" wouldn't have been made. So there, no OOCness under Ian. As for the whole Mina Mongoose fiasco, she's suffering from post traumatic stress disorder and she has the right to feel this way. Wouldn't you be scarred mentally if you were snatched off the street by the city you lived in?! That's pure nightmare fuel that is! So the way Mina acted has logical reasoning behind it all. Oh and you can't just say "Nicole's good again" and expect everybody to be immediately OK with it. Being snatched up by your own city is a VERY scary thing to happen and it's gonna scar people for a while. Also, Nicole could lose control by accident or something so saying "She's good now" isn't going to make everything OK again. You've just got to slowly but steadily win the citizens' trust back and Nicole is brave enough to try that. As for Mina getting everybody to hate Nicole, that wasn't the intention. It's clear as crystal that it wasn't her intention! Naugus used his magic to mess with everybody's minds and blow their anger out of proportion, much like the haters of this comic! That's why everybody hated Nicole, Naugus made them hate Nicole, Mina didn't! She wanted to inspire and empower people, not make them scared and angry! Also, the citizens could do with the motivation couldn't they? The heroes won't be around forever so we need to rally up the people and have them ready to defend themselves. That's a good motivation and if Naugus didn't screw around with emotions, Mina would have gotten the reaction she intended. So no OOC out of Mina Mongoose there. That's it for this claim, next one...

IAN'S CURRENT STORY ARC IS NOTHING BUT PADDING!
By that logic, the Iron Dominion saga is padding also. There is NO padding of any kind in the current story arc. Every issue has a purpose and every issue has a reason to be there. Issues 237-238...yeah they're pretty weak but they have a purpose. Eggman needs to refuel so he goes to Soumerca and has Mecha Sally stir up controversy amongst the locals just to slow Team Fighters down and give himself new people to legionize. Also, they build up to the extremely well done Secret Freedom Fighters arc in Sonic Universe which ALSO has a purpose. Issue 239, Mecha Sally's sent to assassinate Elias Acorn which is a GOOD IDEA as killing him would make everybody shocked and upset and it would bring down their spirits. Not to mention, again, it's to slow Team Fighters down. If you were a villain on the run from your worst enemy, would YOU endanger lives just to slow the hero down?! Of course you would! And again, issue 239 builds up to the SFF arc. Issue 240 finishes building up the SFF while also giving Team Freedom a chance to shine and it's Eggman taking advantage of the situation, show-casing him to be a brilliant villain who takes opportunities when he has them. Issue 241 has Eggman slowing down Team Fighters again and is a fantastic lead in to the looking-good-already arc "Endangered Species" where he does the brilliant idea of endanger more lives just to slow Team Fighters down. You SERIOUSLY call THIS padding?! It's all done with a reason, it's all got a purpose and it's not forcibly long anyway, it feels natural to me the length of this arc. And after going over them again, this whole thing's actually a pretty breezy read for me. It doesn't feel like its dragging. The length of the arc only makes it more engaging and interesting as it goes along too. And the reason Sonic keeps stopping to help others is because it's in his nature, to help those in danger. He can't focus on JUST Sally, every life matters after all so he has to save EVERYBODY and not just Sally. Also, would Sally be pleased to hear that Sonic left Eggman to terrorize innocents just so he could save her? Of course not! She'd be horrified with Sonic for being so heartless! If Sally was with Team Fighters now, she'd be wanting Sonic to save those endangered lives too! Honestly, there's no logic behind this claim at all so please stop saying it, it's all wrong!

IAN HATES (insert character/show right here)!
Just because he makes characters struggle against adversity, it doesn't mean he has anything against the characters. It means he's a writer and he's crafting a story. He said so himself and don't dismiss me as lying because I'm not. The comment can be found on this journal he did (ianpotto.deviantart.com/journa…). And as for the whole "Ian hates SatAM!" BS, if Ian really did hate SatAM then he would he gotten rid of EVERY element of the show when he had the chance in "Genesis" don't you think? Besides, Ian's making the comic accessible to everybody, SatAM and the games. We can't have it just SatAM like or the game fans won't enjoy it much you know. I get that you SatAM fans are very passionate about the characters and the show but think about what the other readers might want. It'd be a bit selfish of you SatAM fans to only want the comic to be like SatAM and not care what the other fans might want to see wouldn't it? So Ian doesn't hate SatAM, he's trying his hardest to appeal to both sides of the party. By the way, if Ian wasn't restricted by SEGA, I bet he'd be letting the game characters get the blunt end of the stick too and thus even the score a bit. That's how I see it.

IAN'S CURRENT STORY ARC MAKES NO SENSE!
Are we reading the same comic here? It makes perfect sense! Eggman tried to roboticize the whole world but thanks to Sally's meddling, it backfired and ended up roboticizing her and now Eggman and Sonic are in a battle for her and the world while encountering various other characters over time. How can the current arc NOT be making any sense?! I dread to think what would happen if you read something complex like Batman or Watchmen, you'd REALLY struggle to follow those comics!

IAN'S WRITING IS LAZY!
Hell no it's not. There's a lot of effort put into all of this and despite manddates getting in the way of it, the whole thing still comes off as pretty good. As for the whole BS about Naugus de-roboticizing Bunnie, Ian himself have an explination for it when talking to somebody. Naugus' magic has a different effect on inorganic material and when powered by a Chaos Emerald, his crystalline magic can turn inorganic material such as metal into organic material. Isn't it obvious?! The same can be said for the real grass we got in issue 231. Oh and by the way, when he said "A wizard did it" when asked about it, Ian was messing around! It wasn't supposed to be taken seriously! But still, what Ian did isn't lazy writing, it's a clever little mystery with a subtle but logical answer and it gets you thinking which in turn, adds to the interest value of the reader. I'm sure he'll publish the explination in a future issue later in the series.

IAN MAKES SONIC HEARTLESS!
Yeah right, Sonic is going around the world trying to save Sally and while he's at it, he saves Lupe and Hathor from the D.E.L. with the help of Amy, Tails and the wolf twins, saves the villagers of Feral Forest and is now currently trying to save the echidnas from extinction in "Endangered Species". HOW IS THAT HEARTLESS?!?! There is NO logic behind this claim whatsoever!!! OK, Sonic reacted violently to Silver in issue 235 but that wasn't him being heartless, he was in a bad mood at the time and people do bad things when they're in a bad mood. I bet when Sonic calmed down, he regretted what he did to Silver. And I know for sure he's still wanting to save Sally but he can't just focus on her as that would leave other lives to suffer at Eggman's hands and if he only focused on Sally, there'd be a lot of cleaning up to do afterwards so Sonic, being the big-hearted hero he is, is dedicating his journey to saving EVERYONE and not just Sally as that would go against his heroism in some ways. Sally would want him to save other lives too so Sonic's doing this not just for himself and the others, but for Sally. Again, that's REAL heartless isn't it?! NOT! You want a heartless Sonic? Then go read Fleetway's Sonic the Comic, THAT comic made Sonic heartless! Next claim!

THE CURRENT STORY ARC IS NOTHING BUT POINTLESS SHOCKVALUE!
This one REALLY drives me up the wall because it's so wrong in so many different ways! You want pointless shock value? I'll give you pointless shock value!    

Rouge kissing Locke!
THAT'S pointless shock value!

Sally slapping Sonic!
THAT'S pointless shock value!

Knuckles dying in issue 118!
THAT'S pointless shock value!

The Tails-isn't-Tails plot from issue 114!
THAT'S pointless shock value!

Mecha Sally!
That is the ANTITHESIS of pointless shock value! It's shock value and it has reasoning behind it! Ian is the only writer who's brave enough to do the unthinkable and he so-rightfully believed that Mecha Sally was a cool story idea. And it was! It's giving Sonic and friends something to fight for, it's giving other characters like Sonic and Amy a chance to develop now Sally's out of the spotlight at last, it's showing how the characters feel about losing a friend and how they deal with this horror. People like to see this kind of thing in comic books, characters fighting the enemy while also show-casing how they deal with loss and such and how they experience emotional cases like a friend turning against them or their friend being handicapped. That is character development, showing us how characters experience emotions and how they develop from the shocks they've had. Some times you have to make serious crap happen to characters to get character development. That's not bad writing, it's making the characters grow, it's giving them development, it's making them rise above their losses and grow stronger as a result, it's giving the heroes more motivation and giving the villains something to cheer about and that my friends is the reason behind Mecha Sally. It wasn't done just to get a reaction, it has a meaning and it's serving its purpose beautifully as of now.

Nicole's exile might seem like pointless shock value since it was overturned so quickly but it isn't. If Nicole was never exiled then she couldn't have contributed to the Secret Freedom Fighters and therefore, they might not have been able to function as they did in the arc. Only by exiling Nicole could that have happened. And since she was exiled, no one will suspect her of being involved in the SFF and Naugus will have no reason to be after her or anything. So there, shock value WITH A BLOODY PURPOSE!!!

As for Antoine, what's happened to him has given the characters a new chance at development as it show-cases how these characters deal with pain and tragedy and how they grow up from it. That in turn makes them more like characters and more three-dimensional as we get to see more emotion from them and different sides of their personalities that are not often explored. That kind of development is always good at catching your interest and making you care more about the characters. Let's not forget this could have happened to anybody so Antoine isn't special in this category but he's playing a part in this kind of character development. Also, it's a set up for future stories and a new development to Bunnie's character. Sometimes horrible things have to happen to get character development after all. If nothing bad happens then the characters will NEVER develop and will be stuck being one-dimensional and the same all the time. So be glad that Antoine's helping characters get new development and maybe he himself might get some new development after the whole thing blows over.

Also, the WHOLE ARC hasn't been JUST full of shock value. There are plenty of less shocking moments to balance things out. So that claim can be tossed in the dustbin. The shock value was all done with a purpose, none of it's been pointless. You're free to think otherwise if you like, but this is how I view the whole scenario.

THIS WHOLE ARC WAS DONE TO GIVE SALLY CLOTHES!
You wish. Ian could have had Sally have a change of outfit anytime. Roboticizing her and turning her into Mecha Sally wasn't done just to give her new clothes, it was done to give Sonic something new to fight for and give the comic a new kind of story to tell. Also, Sally could just as easily be de-roboticized and be normal again. The redesign was ethier an editorial mandate or SEGA's idea. Ethier way, this claim is invalid and makes no sense. I pity any fool who believes in that junk.  

So that's it for the claims, now my analysis. Here's what I've worked out after sitting down and analyzing the whole story so farů

IT'S A STORY ABOUT EVERYBODY
This is not just a one man band here, this is a fight for the planet and EVERYBODY's getting involved. We have Team Fighters and Team Freedom in the current roles, we have the Secret Freedom Fighters striking Naugus from the shadows, we have the Wolf Pack and the Felidae fighting the D.E.L. chapter in their country, we have the echidnas fighting the D.E.L. chapter in their home place and now we have Thrash joining in the fray and getting some new development. This is why the story arc is turning out the way it is now. Ian's giving everybody a chance in this fight and he's giving the readers time to explore other parts of Mobius while also hoping the best for Sally. All of this is done with purpose so it's not like it has no reason being like this. Eggman's endangering lives to slow the heroes down and that's a brilliant plan if you want to get the heroes off your back while you refuel your ship. Mecha Sally herself has been an interesting villain in this battle for Mobius. She doesn't rely on brute strength all the time as you'd expect her to do, she relies on toying with her opponents and leaving them in the dust, agitating them and making them lose their grip a little. That's a brilliant portrayal for a roboticized Sally Acorn and I'm glad Ian didn't just make her a generic mindless drone, he made her a cunning individual with interesting tactics and battle strategies. As for running away so much, that's part of her plan. She's messing with the heroes while also playing it safe. She could quite easily finish off the heroes but she can't take those kind of risks as she could easily get smashed or beaten and captured. Being slippery is definitely better then have her just be this mindless weapon. Kudos to Ian for a brilliant new take on Mecha Sally. Such a pity she'll be de-roboticized soon but oh well, it was fun while it lasted. Anyway, the current arc in the Sonic comics is no mess or whatever you haters call it. It truly is a wonderful ride around Mobius with interesting twists and turns, captivating settings, fantastic artwork, strong character development and an interesting take on a redundant villain (Mecha Sally). The current story arc really isn't what you haters claim it to be, it's much better then you give it credit for. You've just got to read it thoroughly and analyze all the important bits before passing judgement.

But who am I to preach to you all? This is all my opinion and I stand by it. You probably stand by yours and that's fine with me but please, really think about things before you start claiming things that aren't true.

So that's it from me. I apologize if I sounded a bit antagonistic, I just wanted to let off some steam a little while providing a thorough study on a REALLY overlooked story arc in the Sonic comics. I didn't do this to attack anyone who hates the comics so please don't flame me over this. I was just stating my opinion. You're free to have yours like anybody is but if you have any comments, please keep it civil and constructive. It's OK to disagree with one another but we don't need to have a flame war over an opinion. So that wraps up this journal entry. Feel free to leave comments below but keep it civil please and I'll see you next time. Have a nice day deviant art users and thanks for reading! :) As Sonic would say, "Keep on juicing!"
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EthanDrawsStuff Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2014  Student General Artist
Ex-ACTLY.
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IATEADEMOCRATE1 Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2014
Beautifully said
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Mixedfan8643 Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
Thank you. :D
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SirBurnout Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014  Student General Artist
Great Analysis Mixedfan, this actually convinced me to read the comic, despite the haters claims I'm enjoying the comic. Thank you for making this Analysis
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Mixedfan8643 Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
You're very welcome sir. :D 
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llirbwerdnadivad Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013
Well put :)
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Mixedfan8643 Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
Thank you.
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Mixedfan8643 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
No need, I've seen it already and I don't care about it. I've decided to leave the haters alone now and I would really have liked it if they didn't waste their time debunking my journal. It wasn't a rant, nor was it targeted at anybody. I was just making a harmless analysis. They didn't need to start making rebuttals to it. I know you all have your opinions and I have mine, it doesn't mean we should spend our lives debating each other. I'll be quite happy to step down and let you haters continue on your merry ways. This fight's not worth fighting anymore.
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Mixedfan8643 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
I wasn't directing it at you personally. Sorry if it came off that way.
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Mixedfan8643 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
I'm not ignoring any horrible story Ian Flynn wrote because Ian Flynn hasn't written any. You only think it's bad because Sally's a robot and Antoine got hurt. This journal was made to point out how flawed your arguments and claims are and that you REALLY do have no logic. I'm not biased, I'm using logical reasoning and actual analysis, something you guys find to do. I know when I'm reading a bad comic, I watch Linkara so I know how to spot a bad comic and Ian's work...sorry, no bad comics here, try again. I'm beginning to think you didn't READ the journal properly and instead, you just decided to have a go at me for pointing out you're wrong and that the Sonic comics are better then you give them credit for.

As for any horrible flaws in the issues Ian's written, there are small ones here and there. The ending to "Honour Bound" from issue 186 was a red herring and hasn't been touched upon since, therefore making you wonder what Ian's trying to do with RougeXKnuckles thing. Issue 207's ending was a slap in the face to SonAmy fans and was just a Big-Lipped Alligator moment that didn't need to be made, Issue 222 was completely pointless and story arc, Nicole's exile was overturned too quickly. Issues 178-179 have their problems too but that's pretty much it. There, I have SOME things about Ian's work I don't like. Happy now?! But still, I'm not just some other Ian Flynn fanboy so don't treat me like one please. I'm a media fan who's looking for entertainment and I get it in the comics Ian Flynn wrote. Not to mention, I don't just read the comics for SatAM like most of you guys do, I read it for everybody. You guys need to learn that Sally as a robot + Antoine getting hurt + making the comics more like the games DOES NOT equal bad writing.

One more thing: you dare to call me biased when you haters block anybody who rebuttals your opinions and you treat us like trolls when all we're doing as stating our opinions? How hypocritical. So don't you DARE call me biased when you yourselves are no better!
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Mixedfan8643 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
Huh, I knew talking to you was a watse of time. Don't talk to me again unless you can learn to accept that maybe not everyone has the same opinions as you. Moron!
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Mixedfan8643 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
Just go away already, I've had enough of your crap! Don't ever comment on me again!
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Overkill-0526 Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist
My initial theory with all the comic haters was that they were all SatAm purists who can't get past the new things and turn them away as if they were evil but they might actually be pretty cool.

To me it kinda reminds me of a game series called "Fallout". It originally started out as a turn based, open world rpg developed by interplay entertainment released in 1997. The series spawned a few sequels until in 2007, a publisher named Bethesda Studios acquired the rights to the Fallout franchise and released "Fallout 3" a first person shooter, open world rpg.

From what I understand, there were flame wars centering around the change that Bethesda made to the franchise, those who preferred the old games and the ones who enjoyed it thoroughly. I have to say that the purists must be way out of line, Fallout 3 is an amazing game, probably one of the best games I've ever played.

I don't read the comics myself but I thought I would give my two cents.
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Mixedfan8643 Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
You're right there, most of the haters are SatAM purists who think that roboticizing Sally and hurting Antoine means bad writing. They use these things as excuses to hate the comic when really, they should be reading it for everybody and NOT just the SatAM cast. Also the crap they spew is nothing but garbage so if you're considering reading the comics, DON'T listen to the haters, as you've seen in this journal I've just proven EVERY claim of theirs to be wrong. Believe me, the comics, especially the current events, are much better then the haters make it out as.
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Overkill-0526 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist
I see
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Pyrose17 Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Hobbyist
Amen. Very much my feelings on the matter. Way to go!
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Mixedfan8643 Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
Thank you. I'm so glad I wrote this too. It was fun making the haters look stupid and showing that I have more common sense and logical reasoning. If any haters hate this journal then screw them, they're just in denial that they're wrong and they're too stupid to see that this journal is PROPER analysis, not an overly biased rant like their analysis tend to be.
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Pyrose17 Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Hobbyist
You're welcome. Keep up the good work!
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TheEzekiel300 Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013
Bravo, Mixedfan8643, bravo!! Dude, I know pretty much exactly where your coming from with you latest journal entry. You pretty much hit every point of what I was thinking that it's almost scary. Again, well done, Mixedfan8643.

Number one-I like how you describe Sonic, as him being free spirited and all, if there is anyone you should get right when writing for the comic it is the main character. What I also like about the way Ian writes Sonic is that he actually gives him flaws in his personality like sometimes his free spirited and cocky ways gets him into trouble and I like that. Sonic actually has more personality in the comic than he does the games.

When it comes to characters like Fiona, a back ground character, I really don't care for OOC moments dealing with them. People wanting to slam Ian over Fiona. Ian has to deal with a large number of cast members & he is human so I don't expect him to get everyone right, the most important characters are the main characters, not background characters. Fiona was ruined long before Ian came on board with her making out with Sonic in front of Tails and Tails screaming "I hate you!" and all.

I also agree that Antoine being brave was like the only good thing brought on by the previous writers.

You absolutely read my mind the Rouge kissing Locke!
"THAT'S pointless shock value!" I actually believe I quoted that exact line before.-I kidd you not. That was the number one thing that I thought was shock value and also I believed it represented Ken Penders perverted fantasies.

As a Sally fan, Ian's version of course, I loved the Mecha Sally plot. With me I saw it as Sonic, the protagonist of the story, getting development through the one that is closest to him and means everything to him his true love, the love interest of the comic, Sally Acorn. I loved how Ian repaired Sonic & Tails relationship and which I believe Ian handled perfectly. -He even had Sonic shedding tears for his little bro. Ever since Ian started on #160 he has been giving a spot light to everyone and he kinda has done a world tour even then like Journey to the East, the solo missions with Bunnie, Rotor and Shadow. I never for a second believed that Ian would ice Sally unlike, Jonathan83x and SonicSataMx93, they thoroughly thought Ian was going to get rid of Sally so Sonic can be with Amy. When I saw the ending of issue 229 with the "Hi Sal!" , Tears formed in my eyes, & I almost cried happy tears. With that "Hi Sal" I knew for a fact that Ian was going to have Sonic save Sally. The Hi Sal is the hope. This comic isn't all about doom and gloom. It's just too bad that the SatAM Purists can't see it.

I like how Antoine risked his life for the true king made him more awesome and honorable. and Ian did good with Sally by just making her likable again.

That's right everyone is getting involved I love it. Ian knows how to tell a story not that over the top furry drama Ken Penders wrote. I mean seriously Rouge is kissing Knuckles dad!!!!!!!? o_0

Ian isn't perfect, but he gets the job done and I just can't get enough of his awesome story telling. Tracey was pretty good, as well. And you get the job done with your thorough analyzing, so keep up the work, Mixedfan89643.


I'll be looking forward to more of your Analysis.
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MissRandomNomad0o Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2013
Sonic being more realistic in the comics than the games is the reason why I prefer Archie sonic.
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Mixedfan8643 Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
Your comment is appreciated and in some bits, really funny. Thank you.

So you believed Rouge kissing Locke was pointless shock value too? I think it's coincidental we both thought the same thing because I don't remember you ever saying that. Well it IS pointless shock value. There's no reason for it to happen and Rouge is an under-aged girl kissing an elderly man. That's disgusting! Ken's a freak for ever putting this into print! Why didn't SEGA stop him from doing that?! That was just wrong!

I agree on all your points too. We Ian Flynn fans are intelligent, logical and we know a good story when we see one and the current story arc in the Sonic Comics is the shining example of a good story in this comic series which can only rely on Ian Flynn for a good story. Jonathan83x has no idea what he's on about and SonicSataMx93 needs to stop being such a biased, opinionated SatAM fanbrat and learn the comic isn't about JUST SatAM, it's about everybody and he should also learn that desecrating Sally is not bad-writing, it's just him being a Sally fanbrat who reads the comic for ONLY Sally instead of everybody. You're a sad person if you only read the comics for ONE element or character. That's the hater's problems I'm afraid and I wish they'd grow a brain cell and realize they're wrong and they should stop being so biased and opinionated towards the comics simply because it's leaning closer to the games.

As for Ian and Ken, Ken couldn't write a story if his life depended on it. Ian knows how to a write a story and his biggest strength working on this comic is the fact he is a Sonic fan so he KNOWS what he's doing and he KNOWS what he's writing for. Ken was in it for the money and his children (which he should be spending time with instead of filing stupid lawsuits he can't win) so he was doomed from the start.

So glad you like this journal. Which parts did you like the best and what would you like me to do another analysis on?
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TheEzekiel300 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
Yeah, I didn't quote you here on deviant art about the Rouge kissing Knuckles father thing but I did quote you when I was private messaging Jonathan83x in a heated debate on Youtube. I basically told him, "you know what is pointless shock value, Rouge kissing Knuckles dad."-This was on the top of my list then I told him about the other pointless shock values like Tails screaming, "I a hate you!" at Sonic with that horrible artwork. There ain't no way Sega of Japan saw that, if they did the comic would have been canceled. Just, wow.

As a Sally fan, I am not at all upset about the desecrating Sally thing just for the fact of the "Hi Sal" moment. Ian really got me with the Hi Sal moment in issue 229, that happy tears formed in my eyes. I remember even thinking after issue 231 that I don't care even if Ian blows Sally up, I still will support him just for what happened at the end of issue 229. I also thought about all of the substance he put into the comic like the humor like Bean the duck, Sonic wise cracks when he is looking death in the face during his battle with Enerjack-I love the emotion, great story telling and over all character development that he put in the comic I also look back at his nearly flawless work in Sonic Universe. My favorite arc in that comic would have to be "Treasure Team Tango"=When I look at all these accomplishments even if you don't agree with how Ian handled Sally, his collective work should out way the Sally thing. This is my opinion, me being a Sally fan and all.

What I liked the best about your analysis would have to be the section where you talked about the shock value. I really enjoyed that because I hit around the ball bark when I was arguing with Jonathan83x on what I considered shock value.

In all honesty, I pretty much liked all of your journal entry. It's actually kind of hard to pick which section is better besides the shock value part. I like how you described that the Mecha Sally thing is for character development and how characters like Nicole, Bunnie and everyone else is getting development.

I especially loved the everyone is getting involved thing that's what the comic should be about. It's not all about the SatAM cast nor the game cast, it's a mixture of both which makes it unique. With Ken the comic was about wasting issues and special pane time by making Sally right articles in news paper about her relationship with Sonic=I mean what the? This is a kids comic not an over the top furry drama teen magazine. The comic should be about action and deep story telling not too deep, though. LOL!

I guess I would like you to do an analysis in on the fact that why anti Ian folks in general like to bash Ian and slander his name and spread bad rumors about him, but when someone challenges them on their stance they block them. It's like they can dish it out, but they can't handle the taste of their own medicine. That would be a good analysis.
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Mixedfan8643 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
I'll do that through a note to you. You know what, I love everything you've said here, you're so right. As for Jonathan83X,I saw some comments he left on bwrosas' "Pros and cons of the current story arc" and he listed his so-called "cons" for the arc in the comments. I read them and sat there debunking them to myself. That's how much the haters suck, I can debunk ANYTHING they say. Keep dishing it out losers, I'll keep proving you wrong! :D
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BlueVengeance Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Love this article, man. I don't feel like such an outcast now for thoroughly enjoying the comic as I do.
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Mixedfan8643 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
Glad you enjoy it, writing this thing was my pleasure. You don't need to feel like an outcast, the comic has more fans then haters, we're just considerably quieter...
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MissRandomNomad0o Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2013
Which is good.
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NaniteCity Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I actually once posted a 10 minute recording on Soundcloud offering my answers to haters' accusations and statements (30 of them, to be exact). It's long gone now, but this certainly reminded me of it. Well said. Everything. We share a lot of the same points.

If one doesn't like it then they don't have to obsess over it. Like I said in my rant, "I don't like bears attacking me so it shouldn't make sense for me to keep going back to the cave."

Sometimes it seems as if the haters obsess over the comics more than the fans.
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Mixedfan8643 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
Yeah, and that is the epitome of ironicness. Well, proves we fans are more mature then the haters and I'm pleased with that. I'm sure you've heard my famous catchphrase somewhere:

Logic: Ian Flynn haters don't have any (never gets old. I could say that forever because it's so funny and so true)

"I don't like bears attacking me so it shouldn't make sense for me to keep going back to the cave." That alone deserves a llama! :D
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Iyzeekiil Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I fucking hate the comic, yet I don't think you're scumm.
Neither do anyone else with common sense.
If you like the comic, fine.
That's quite fine.
Nothing is wrong with that.
If you see a hater personally invading your private space, then THAT is the scum bag.
Until the day that happens, I don't think you should consider a group f people who hate the comic your enemy just cause they point out flaws.
Nothing is perfect, especially not Flynn writting.
That's all we do. The ones who attack people are just idiots.
I'm not one of them.
If you like the comic that's great.
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Mixedfan8643 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
Thanks for handling this maturely. I salute you sir. I know nothing is perfect. I have problems with Ian Flynn's writing myself, I don't blindly like everything he does. I wasn't trying to attack anybody, I was just giving an anylsis of the comic and showing some of your claims are a little bit nonsensical. Mind you, nobody has a definite idea on what's bad and what's good. Good or bad writing is really just someone's opinion. We have our opinions on what good writing is and you have yours. I've decided to be the better man and I'll start accepting your views. I'm quite happy to enjoy the comics and I'll happily let you guys enjoy what you like.

Thank you for not trolling me and for handling this in a mature matter. And thank your for being more acceptive of my opinions. As a token of gratitude, I shall change my tone and be a bit less antagonistic towards you.
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Iyzeekiil Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Thank. God.
cause as hard as I try, to just to put my opinion, im always labeled a hater cause I hate the "precious" comic.
I know people love the comic, but they treat me horribly if I say one thing bad about it
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NaniteCity Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, I mean, they're allowed to dislike the comics, I get that.

But they don't need to read them JUST to point out what's "wrong" with them.

And thanks for the llama :D
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Iyzeekiil Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
What if most did it cause they are really passionate about sonic?
I would do the same if something like that happened with another series, persay dragonball z.
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NaniteCity Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, I can see if it's for that reason, but if you don't like /that/ version of Sonic, then you don't have to read it.

I don't know. I just imagine it to be stressful. It could be just me, but if I didn't like the comics, even with the passion I have for Sonic, I wouldn't be reading them.
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Iyzeekiil Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
It has ben stressful, but the only reason why I used to read them is cause I though SOMETHING wa sgoing to get better. Turns out it doesnt for over a year
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NaniteCity Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You don't think Sally's getting derobotisized? You don't think Bunnie's coming back? The heroes will have their victories. I am sure.
(besides, if you want to get technical, in the long run, Sonic isn't allowed to lose)

If Ian wanted to get rid of all these characters for good, he would've done it seven years ago when he started writing.
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Iyzeekiil Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Well he already has practically tweaked their personality so many times that they have become in recoconisable even before the arch.
I gave up on those guys years ago.
Wat I'm concerned more about is when will things actually progress?
Things are happening but most aren't important.
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Mixedfan8643 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
You're welcome.
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MeltingMan234 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Very good. I've always felt like I live in a world where I'm the only one who likes the Archie Sonic Series. It's like their everywhere, that ArchieSonicLulz who's a bloody idiot who is obsessed with killing Ian Flynn and hating the comics continuously, Johnathon83X with his crap, Bwrosas spewing out boring guff and stealing peoples work, GameBoySage and his constant ramble by ranting on every comic after Issue 134, bashing Ian Flynn and he's recently said that he's, "feels sorry for Ian" because of these bloody lawsuits. Sure, this is coming from the guy who's hated him since the day he was born and bashed him about everything and now he feels, "sorry for him" sure he does and I'm friends with Linsey Lohan. If they hate the series so much, why do they constantly waste their time continue reading it and treating it like an Autopsy? (GameBoySage, ArchieSonicLulz, Johnathon83X, etc) You hate the series, fine. There's no point to just sell your sole to pester and troll the comics for Eternity. Ever hear of the phrase, Don't like it, Ignore it? Well obviously that's a foreign language to those bloody assholes. Bloody Fanbrats
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Mixedfan8643 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
Couldn't agree more MeltingMan234. The haters think we fans are scum and "evil" when really, they're the evil ones. We're not the ones trying to get Ian fired, we're not the ones trolling him to death, we're not the ones treating the comics like the end of the world, they are. They really should stop obsessing over it and stop reading it. There was a fanfic story I once read and I stopped reading it after a while because I didn't like it and do you see me hating on it everyday of my life? NO! Because I know when to stop! If I didn't like the Sonic comics anymore then I would stop reading them so why can't they? Oh yeah:

Logic, Ian Flynn haters don't have any. I forgot.

So, which parts did you like the best about this journal?
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Beau-Skunk Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013
Well, don't get to discouraged, or feel "alone." Keep in mind there actually are more fans, then haters of the Sonic comic. In fact, the pro Archie-Sonic club has more members & watchers then the anti clubs do, and my first pro-Archie-Sonic stamp has over 730 favorites. (Which surprised me, considering most of my Deviations are lucky to get like 10 or 20 favorites. Not saying that "favs" are important, of course.)
So apparently some people do like the comic. The thing is, the fans don't talk about the comic as much, and are apparently not as outspoken, or obsessed with the comic as the haters are. (Kinda odd, eh?)

Don't let the haters get to you to much. :) Just enjoy whatever you want.
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Slaydus-The-Severn Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
:iconthisplz: Thank you. THANK YOU! Finally! An analysis about Archie Sonic that isn't overly biased and BS! I agree 100% on everything that you said. It's all true. I'm really enjoying the comic right now, and to boot, I don't believe I'd actually be reading the comic anymore if it wasn't for Flynn. I got bored of the comic and moved on after that long period of stagnation between the 130's and 160's. Now it's better than ever, and it can appeal to a lot of people.

These haters are taking everything way out of proportion and need to start reading some other comics and books or something- you know to REALLY GET WHAT STORIES ENTAIL AND HOW THEY WORK! They obviously have no idea what they're talking about... One time, I had a note-sending marathon with :iconarchiesoniclulz:, who just would not listen to me when regarding the comic. I FINALLY drilled into his head that the so-called "haters" were being irrational, by obsessing over the comic and such. We parted ways, but he said that "I would see that Sally wouldn't be turned back to normal by 250, and that Antoine would die!" and all of this BS. What turned up at last year's comic con? New Sally design. Mmmmmmhmmmmm. A-thank you!

Love the analysis, keep up the good work! Same goes for Ian and Archie Publications! :)
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